Game 2: Custom Poisoner Open Setup (Preseaon)

Thu Apr 09, 2020 11:58 am

Type: Anon, I will occupy everyone with an anonymous account.
Hosted By: Kliff aka bluegummybear
Start Date: April 12th
Size: 8 players
Phase Lengths: 48/24 after the first 7 posts in each day
Setup: Open setup, NOC
Thread Communication: Only mafia have outside communications
Posting Requirement: 3 posts minimum per day phase.

Theme: Custom Poisoner Open Setup
Mafia goon with factional One-shot brain Shocker
Mafia goon with factional One-shot brain Shocker
Town Poisoner
5 Vanilla Townies

Playerlist( 8 ):
@dee dee
@Cannonbolt
@Weevil Underwood
@Hugh Test
@Tinky Winky
@Don Jalapeno
@Chris Mclean
@Greg Universe

Role PM

Mafia goon:

Town poisoner:

VT:

Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:08 pm

Day 1 Commence

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Weevil Underwood (0) -

Hugh Test (0) -

Tinky Winky (0) -

Don Jalapeno (0) -

Chris Mclean (0) -

Greg Universe(0) -

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Deadline Will begin after the 7th post Stay active Fam

Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:13 pm

Ok first of all why is my profile picture cursed?
Second of all why does weevil look a relevant character?
Third of all die @Hugh Test
lynch Hugh Test

Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:34 pm

Ez ggs my dudes Cannonbolt + Chris Mclean are mafia, and Weevilunderwood is poisoner, im vt and everyone else too ggs

lynch Chris Mclean

Sun Apr 12, 2020 6:13 pm

i have no idea what my pfp will look like but considering the cursed childhood wants to kill me so i prolly am cursed as well

anyway Lynch Don Jalepeno

i'll check this thread tmrw my time so see if it's anymore active but for now

Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:57 pm

Roses are red,
Chris McClean is scum,
You gotta lynch him,
Don't be a chum.

Lynch Chris McClean

Assuming poisoner survives for as long as possible and poisons a townie, the mafia doesn't use their role on poisoner as well as killing everyone on every night and that town lynches everyday, we have two mislynches tops. Now of course the odds can be tipped elsewhere, but it's just a reflection on how badly this game can go. It's been more than six hours since the game has started, and so far only three people have made their first post, cmon people

Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:51 am

Ez ggs my dudes Cannonbolt + Chris Mclean are mafia, and Weevilunderwood is poisoner, im vt and everyone else too ggs
Im interested in how u derived that scumread in early d1. W0W
Lynch Dee Dee

Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:38 am

Don Jalapeno wrote:Ez ggs my dudes Cannonbolt + Chris Mclean are mafia, and Weevilunderwood is poisoner, im vt and everyone else too ggs
Im interested in how u derived that scumread in early d1. W0W
Lynch Dee Dee

It took me some time to realize that it was a quote fail, whoops

You know, while we are at it, what do you think of the setup?

Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:43 am

Greg Universe wrote:Roses are red,
Chris McClean is scum,
You gotta lynch him,
Don't be a chum.

Lynch Chris McClean

Assuming poisoner survives for as long as possible and poisons a townie, the mafia doesn't use their role on poisoner as well as killing everyone on every night and that town lynches everyday, we have two mislynches tops. Now of course the odds can be tipped elsewhere, but it's just a reflection on how badly this game can go. It's been more than six hours since the game has started, and so far only three people have made their first post, cmon people

I was wrong, whoops. Logical flaw; worst case scenario we only have two lynches, not one.

In the event that we mislynch today, should the poisoner claim tomorrow? We'll effectively be in a lylo tomorrow if we mislynch:

T = town, S = scum
8P down to 7P, 5T 2S [mislynch]
7P down to 6P, 4T 2S [mafia kill]

6P down to 5P, either 3T 2S or 4T 1S -> Thing is, we don't know whether the poisoned target is town or scum. In the case that they are town, we'll be in a lylo situation. We will never know if the poisoned target is town or scum, and they'll claim town anyway. What are your thoughts?

Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:08 am

This setup feels like too scumsided imo

Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:09 am

Well if u ask me since the poisoner is not compulsive, they should idle N-1 and N-2 unless an universal scumread comes up

Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:13 am

wait sorry i was wrong. If the posioner idles n1 then it's a 4 (3+1) V 2 scenario aka it's LyLo scenario. But if poisoner poisons someone n1 then it's still 4 (3+1) V 2, a LyLo scenario so even if poisoner idles it won't make much of a difference so yeah posioner shouldn't idle

Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:14 am

Don Jalapeno wrote:This setup feels like too scumsided imo

Contrary to what I said in my earlier post when I was talking about us only have one hypothetical mislynch, I beg to differ to this opinion. Okay maybe not entirely, but like, the power is heavily in our hands, a town vigilante can backfire as easily as it can be the mvp. It's a double sided gun (pun intended), and obviously the best way to take advantage is by us discussing

Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:16 am

Hm yeah. For now i'll stick to my Dee Dee lynch since how they gave reads early day one without explaining them at all is scummy

Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:16 am

Don Jalapeno wrote:wait sorry i was wrong. If the posioner idles n1 then it's a 4 (3+1) V 2 scenario aka it's LyLo scenario. But if poisoner poisons someone n1 then it's still 4 (3+1) V 2, a LyLo scenario so even if poisoner idles it won't make much of a difference so yeah posioner shouldn't idle

Huh?
If they don't poison then it's mylo not lylo (aka we get the option to no lynch)

Not that I don't say that it's not stupid though, poisoning and playing the odds is much better than not. I find no lynch rather inefficient, simply because the whole no lynch-no kill loop can be be pretty damn frustrating

Eitherway, poisoner tomorrow claim or no claim, that is the question?

Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:18 am

No lynch basically is a town loss since u give up a day.

Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:18 am

No lynching d2 is also the same as giving up a day. Lynching is way more better since it gives us a lot more sense of reads

Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:19 am

Well poison should claim tomorrow

Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:20 am

poisoner*

Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:23 am

Don Jalapeno wrote:No lynch basically is a town loss since u give up a day.

We.. have different train of thoughts

I'm talking about a no lynch in a mylo situation; in a 4v2, you cannot afford a mislynch, however in the case where you no lynch and the mafia kills someone - it in theory tips in town's favour (since it's reduced 4v2 to a 3v2, therefore one less suspect)

But we have a poisoner who's confirmed who could be shot and all that jazz, no lynch isn't helpful eitherway and this is going nowhere

Also with poisoner claiming, we effectively render the game to a OS Poisoner, don't we? Do you think that's helpful in the long run?

Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:24 am

poisoner's actions fail if they are killed in the same night they use the actions

Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:24 am

Don Jalapeno wrote:No lynching d2 is also the same as giving up a day. Lynching is way more better since it gives us a lot more sense of reads

I've mentioned this in the earlier post but just gotta say this again because uh

Where are we going to use the reads if there's no game? We are talking about a lylo/mylo situation, ain't no lynching for reads there

Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:25 am

Don Jalapeno wrote:poisoner's actions fail if they are killed in the same night they use the actions

Yeah but I fail to see how that's important in the current context? The mafia will just brainshock the confirmed poisoner instead of killing them, effectively giving the mafia two free good kills

Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:27 am

yeah so poisoner shouldn't claim d1? i thought that's what we were discussing

Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:28 am

and NL d1 isn't a good play too since everyone will be agreeing upon NL-ing and that'll reduce the quality of the reads (cuz wagonomics)

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